Just Ditch Those Floppy Peonies

There is no need to put up with bad behavior from junk peonies. Photo:

I’ve never liked floppy peonies and never saw the point of growing them. I mean, the least you should be able to expect from a plant is that it stand up all on its own! Yet, generations of gardeners have been growing peonies that have no more tonus than a lettuce leaf. The slightest wind and down they come. And heaven forbid it should rain! 

Of course, the peonies in question are all “old favorites”; ancient varieties carried forward from generation to generation to plague new gardeners. You’d think we’d have abandoned them ages ago, but no. Even as peony hybridizers have put in countless hours developing superb varieties with strong stems, we gardeners keep on ignoring them. There are maybe 150 or so floppy peonies and nearly 5,000 strong upright ones, yet what do we grow? One has to wonder if this growing of weak-stemmed plants is not a horticultural form of self-flagellation. 

Why Peonies Flop

Typical garden peony. Photo:

The floppy peony contingent was largely developed between the mid 1800s and early 1900s. Back then, peonies were grown mostly as cut flowers and long-stemmed varieties were considered highly desirable. Since cut flower operations of the time grew their flowers in greenhouses where there was no wind or rain, stem strength under garden conditions was simply not an issue.

By the 1900s, though, peonies were becoming popular garden plants as well and many cut flower growers began selling their surplus floppy peonies to home gardeners. Since staking was considered “the way to grow peonies,” there were few complaints. Well, at least, not from the average home gardener. People just expected to have to stake their plants. 

But serious peony growers were aghast at the situation. Peony societies began sprouting up here and there (the American Peony Society, for example, was established in 1903), largely to promote the development of peonies “as a garden plant,” i.e. peonies that don’t flop. And this stimulated a great deal of interest in the hybridization of sturdy peonies. 

Paeonia lactiflora ‘Krinkled White’ has been growing in my own garden for over twenty years now. I’ve never felt the need to stake it. Photo:

But the newer, sturdier peonies cost more than the mass-produced floppy ones and made little headway on the market. Even today, the average peony sold in garden centers is a pre-20th century variety mass-produced in China by underpaid workers and sold cheaply. It’s hard to beat those prices! 

But why don’t the Chinese update their varieties? Because they’ve been growing the same ones for over a century and they still sell! Their attitude seems to be: if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!

Peony Myth

You often hear the belief that only double peonies flop and that single varieties need no staking, but that’s incorrect. True enough, double flowers are heavier and need sturdier stems than the average single-flowered peony, but there are hundreds of double peonies that have the sturdy stems required and need no staking. You just have to buy the right ones.

You Want Floppy Peonies?

Paeonia lactiflora ‘Madame Édouard Doriat’ (1924) is a typical example of a turn-of-the-previous-century peony and flops like crazy.

Floppy peonies are easy to find. Chances are your local garden center carries almost nothing else. Here’s a list of floppy peonies. Take it to your garden center and see how many of these it has on offer. 

  • Paeonia lactiflora ‘Alexandre Dumas’ (1862) 
  • P. lactiflora ‘Albert Crousse’ (1893) 
  • P. lactiflora ‘Auguste Dessert’ (1920) 
  • P. lactiflora ‘Alexander Fleming’ (‘Doctor Alexander Fleming’)
  • P. lactiflora ‘Duchesse de Nemours’ (1856) 
  • P. lactiflora ‘Félix Crousse’ (‘Victor Hugo’) (1881)
  • P. lactiflora Festiva Maxima’ (1851)
  • P. lactiflora ‘Jeanne d’Arc’ (1858)
  • P. lactiflora ‘Karl Rosenfeld’ (1908)
  • P. lactiflora ‘Madame Édouard Doriat’ (1924)
  • P. lactiflora ‘Monsieur Jules Élie’ (1888)
  • P. lactiflora ‘Marie Lemoine (1869)
  • P. lactiflora ‘Sarah Bernhardt’ (1869) 

Spend More Now, Save Later

Paeonia lactiflora ‘Bowl of Beauty’ is a rare example of a sturdy peony that is not that hard to find in garden centers. Photo:

Why not avoid the effort of staking and plant peonies capable of standing on their own? They often cost more because they’re produced on considerably lower scale than Chinese imports, but end up costing less … if you consider that “time is money.” Less time spent installing stakes then removing them in the fall, then replacing them in the spring, ad infinitum, means you have more time to enjoy your peonies than struggling to keep them looking good.

Among herbaceous peonies, here are some that are sturdy and beautiful, certainly outdoing the old-fashioned floppy ones. And most Itoh (Intersectional) peonies and tree peonies likewise need no staking. 

  1. P. lactiflora ‘Alexander Woolcott’
  2. P. lactiflora ‘Athena’
  3. P. lactiflora ‘Athens’
  4. P. lactiflora ‘Big Ben’
  5. P. lactiflora ‘Blaze’
  6. P. lactiflora ‘Bowl of Beauty’
  7. P. lactiflora ‘Bride’s Dream’
  8. P. lactiflora ‘Bu-Te’
  9. P. lactiflora ‘Buckeye Belle’
  10. P. lactiflora ‘Claire de Lune’
  11. P. lactiflora ‘Cora Louise’
  12. P. lactiflora ‘Coral ‘n Gold’
  13. P. lactiflora ‘Dandy Dan’
  14. P. lactiflora ‘Do Tell’
  15. P. lactiflora ‘Dublin’
  16. P. lactiflora ‘Etched Salmon’
  17. P. lactiflora ‘First Arrival’
  18. P. lactiflora ‘Flame’
  19. P. lactiflora ‘Garden Treasure’
  20. P. lactiflora ‘Gay Paree’
  21. P. lactiflora ‘Gold Standard’
  22. P. lactiflora ‘Jacorma’
  23. P. lactiflora ‘Julia Rose’
  24. P. lactiflora ‘Kiev’
  25. P. lactiflora ‘Krinkled White’
  26. P. lactiflora ‘Laura Dessert’
  27. P. lactiflora ‘Lavender’
  28. P. lactiflora ‘Le Charme’
  29. P. lactiflora ‘Madrid’
  30. P. lactiflora ‘Mahogany’
  31. P. lactiflora ‘Moscow’
  32. P. lactiflora ‘Nice Gal’
  33. P. lactiflora ‘Oslo’
  34. P. lactiflora ‘Paula Fay’
  35. P. lactiflora ‘Pink Hawaiian Coral’
  36. P. lactiflora ‘Red Red Rose’
  37. P. lactiflora ‘Rome’
  38. P. lactiflora ‘Roselette’
  39. P. lactiflora ‘Roy Person’s Best Yellow’
  40. P. lactiflora ‘White Sands’

Where to Find Sturdy Peonies

If your local garden center sells only junk peonies, why not get yours from a peony specialist? Most sell by mail order, so you can get top quality, non-floppy peonies no matter where you live. The better sources include hints about the peony’s stem in their descriptions: “sturdy stems”, “strong stems”, “no staking needed”, “good growth habit”, “Staking: no”, etc. And if you’re not sure, ask before you buy: these companies know their peonies and will be pleased to help.

Here are a few nurseries to try:

United States:

Peony’s Envy
Peony Farm
White Flower Farm


Dutch Girl Peonies
Pivoines Capano
Parkland Perennials

United Kingdom: 

Bennison Peonies
Primrose Hall Peonies


Spring Hill Peony Farm
Van Diemen Quality Bulbs

Sturdy peonies: they’re out there and they’re garden worthy. You won’t regret trying them in your own garden.

Article adapté from one originally published on June 27, 2015.

Garden writer and blogger, author of 65 gardening books, lecturer and communicator, the Laidback Gardener, Larry Hodgson, passed away in October 2022. Known for his great generosity, his thoroughness and his sense of humor, he reached several generations of amateur and professional gardeners over his 40-year career. Thanks to his son, Mathieu Hodgson, and a team of contributors, will continue its mission of demystifying gardening and making it more accessible to all.

7 comments on “Just Ditch Those Floppy Peonies

  1. Carol deSousa

    While this is very practical for the home gardener it is not for the cut flower grower. Unfortunately some of the most sought after peonies are of the floppy nature. Hopefully one day the industry will catch up and begin to use more of the sturdier varieties.

  2. David McNeil

    Thank you Larry for this article, I might starting loving my peonies again. I had no idea of this even after growing the floppy variety for 25 years. You would not believe the support stands I have created for that variety.

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  4. This completely cracked me up especially “One has to wonder if this growing of weak-stemmed plants is not a horticultural form of self-flagellation.” I have felt all these emotions when I look at floppy peonies but couldn’t put it into such perfect words. Thank you for your amusing and informative article!

  5. I can totally understand why people who are very familiar with them would want to grow them. I insist on growing hybrid tea roses because they are still my favorites, and they are what I am most familiar with. I do not mind giving them the extra attention they need because they are what I want to grow. I know there are better roses available, but they are not what I want.

  6. Margaret

    I had no idea! I will try some of the un-floppies. My house came with junk peonies. I grow them for cut flowers. They smell wonderful and last a long time. But when I dig up that bed (already too hot, that’s my project for the fall), I will definitely plant some of the cultivars you mentioned. I have all summer to pick out the ones I’d like to order.

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